The Killigrews of Lothbury
Topic: The Killigrews of Lothbury
Residence chronology and identification of the house, 2026-07-16
The new source collation substantially narrows the question. William Killigrew is the brother with the documented Lothbury property. Henry Killigrew lived and worked there, but twice called the address “my brother's house.” No separate Henry-owned Lothbury title or lease has been found. The best current reconstruction is therefore that Henry maintained a household or lodging in William's Lothbury property or property complex and could consequently be described by outsiders as dwelling there. A distinct Henry-owned house remains possible only in the abstract; it is not supported by the records located in this pass.
Dated evidence
| Date | Person | Evidence | Residence conclusion |
|---|---|---|---|
| 14 February 1582 Old Style / 1583 modern | William | The St Margaret vestry minute allows access to “a howse and garden he hath there,” followed by agreement on 24 March 1582 O.S. / 1583 modern | William already possessed or occupied a house and garden beside the churchyard by early 1583. The verb “hath” does not by itself distinguish freehold, leasehold, or another tenure. |
| 1592–93 | William | Freshfield's parish directory names “Mr. William Killigrewe” in the north-side Lothbury sequence immediately after the St Margaret church and churchyard | William is a named Lothbury parish householder before the 1595 charter. |
| 7 November 1594 | Henry | A Hatfield calendar entry orders merchants to attend “Sir Henry Killigrew's dwelling house beside the Conduit in Lothbury” | Henry was then treated as the occupier of a Lothbury dwelling; this wording does not prove title. |
| 8 March 1594 O.S. / 1595 modern | Henry | His letter is dated “From my brother's house in Lothbury” | Henry himself identifies the legal or familial householder as his brother. |
| 5 April 1595; 3 June 1597 | William | Add Ch 76967–76968: grant and quitclaim concerning a messuage and garden in St Margaret Lothbury | The public catalogue supplies William's formal property trail. |
| 14 August 1596 | Henry | Added in his hand: “From my brother's house in Lothbury” | The same house-description recurs eighteen months later. |
| 3 January 1598 | Henry and William | Henry writes from Lothbury before going for three or four days to “my brother's house at Hamworth” [Hanworth] | Henry used William's Lothbury–Hanworth household axis. The entry calls Hanworth, not Lothbury, the brother's house; the identification of the Lothbury house rests on the 1595 and 1596 letters plus William's property records. |
| 6 May 1598 | Henry Neville | Neville writes from Lothbury while Anne Neville is dangerously ill | The Killigrew address was also a working Neville family address. |
| 1601–03 | Henry and Jaél | Jaél's correspondence repeatedly issues from Lothbury; a cabinet of Neville's writings was kept where Neville “was lodged” at Sir Henry Killigrew's | Henry's second household remained active there through his final years. In the cabinet sentence, the person lodged is Henry Neville, not Henry Killigrew. |
| 1606–09; 1611 | William | Vestry-house lease and renewed passage “into his house”; grant of an adjoining St Stephen Coleman Street garden | William's parish/property relationship continued after Henry's death. |
| 1617–18 | William | The parish twice refused churchyard ground to enlarge his dwelling and ordered an unauthorized brick foundation removed; it then allowed him to build the house at the east-end corner of the church “a little higher” | The entry fixes the house at the church's east-end corner and documents substantial rebuilding or vertical enlargement. |
| 18 March 1618; proved 30 November 1622 | William and Margery | William's will separates inherited City property from leased London houses, gardens, and stables; Margery received life enjoyment and the use of the furnished Lothbury house | The estate was a mixed-tenure complex rather than one undifferentiated freehold. Exact wording is controlled through a public human transcript; the registered-will image is unresolved. |
| 23 November 1622 | William | The DNB, citing his PCC probate record, reports that William died in Lothbury | This supplies the endpoint of William's documented Lothbury life, although he also maintained Hanworth and should not be imagined as continuously present in one house. |
| 1623–24 | Dame Margery Killigrew | Parish rates charge “The Lady Killigrew” £4; Margery's will calls her “of Lothbury” | William's widow very probably continued as the rated householder under the life interests granted by his will. The rate itself gives no forename. |
| c. 1623, recalled in 1655 | Mary Killigrew Woodhouse and Constantijn Huygens | Huygens remembered taking leave in “Lothbury Galery” and later evoked “the old good dayes of Lothbury howse” | The correspondence supplies a named gallery and evidence that the house was remembered as a social setting. |
| 1631/2–1659/60 | Robert and the younger William; later grantees | BL charters trace a capital messuage and garden through later grants; Freshfield's 1659/60 deed recital and plan describe the assembled parcels | The later documents preserve the best available map of the former complex, but the plan is not a direct survey of the house in Neville's lifetime. |
Henry may have been using the house earlier than 1594. The Folger court calendar's account of Anne Killigrew's December 1584 marriage identifies her father as “Henry Killigrew, of Lothbury,” and the ceremony occurred at St Margaret. That makes an earlier Henry household plausible, especially because William's adjoining house and garden already existed. But the calendar is a modern editorial synthesis and the underlying licence and register images have not been inspected. The earliest direct contemporary address evidence found for Henry remains 7 November 1594.
What remains unproved
The records do not yet establish whether every reference denotes precisely the same building footprint. William's house, garden, churchyard door, vestry rooms, and later St Stephen Coleman Street garden may have formed an evolving cross-parish complex. Images or full descriptions of Add Ch 76967–76970, together with a parcel map, are still needed. But the present evidence no longer supports treating “Henry Killigrew's lodging” and “William Killigrew's messuage” as two independently demonstrated properties. It supports one William property base within which Henry had a real, externally recognizable household.
Property footprint, interiors, and succession, 2026-07-17
The expanded property pass changes the physical model. The Lothbury residence was an evolving, mixed-tenure complex, not a single uncomplicated house. A 1659/60 deed recital identifies a “great capitall messuage and tenement” with garden, another house and garden near or over its gate that had been converted with it into one messuage and one garden, a separate church-side messuage formerly associated with Anthony Walthall and later occupied by Sir William or his tenants, St Stephen Coleman Street garden ground and buildings, and two rooms directly over the vestry. The same deed associates the principal premises first with Sir Brian Tuke and later with Sir William Killigrew.
That recital must be read with the legal evidence rather than flattened into one ownership claim. Bank of England deeds continue a Walthall title chain for the neighbouring messuage. William's own will separately describes inherited City houses, lands, and tenements and leasehold London “houses, gardens and stables.” The most economical current reconstruction is therefore an assembled household footprint spanning parcels held under different kinds of title. Physical annexation or occupation did not necessarily transfer the underlying freehold.
The east-end corner and the 1617–18 rebuilding
Freshfield's p. 50 fixes the house more precisely than the earlier passage entries. In November 1617 the parish refused William churchyard ground “to enlarge his Dwelling house” and ordered an unauthorized brick foundation removed. A renewed January request was again denied. The parish subsequently allowed him to build his house “at the corner upon the East-end of the Church a little higher.” William promised £10 for church repairs and spent about another £10 on the stonework, glazing, and royal arms at the east window.
The compromise was vertical: the parish protected its churchyard boundary while permitting a taller house at the church's east-end corner. This makes the residence an unusually well-placed urban household, physically pressed against the pre-Fire church and connected to it through negotiated passage and rooms over the vestry.
Public source: Freshfield, p. 50.
William's will and Margery's continued household
In his will William gave Dame Margery for life all City property he held by inheritance and, separately, the profits of leasehold houses, gardens, and stables. After her death, unexpired lease terms were to revert to his executors. She also received lifetime use of:
“all my beddings, linen, hangings and other furniture & household stuff in
my house at Lothbury”
as well as plate worth £200. The same will calls Lothbury his “now dwelling-house.” These clauses show a furnished operating household and explain why the widow remained there after November 1622.
The 1623 and 1624 assessments charge “The Lady Killigrew” £4 annually. Margery's will begins “Dame Margery Killigrew of Lothbury, London, widow,” so her identification as the ratepayer is very strong, though the assessment does not itself supply a forename. Her bequests name a “lodging-chamber” with two yellow chests, a great Persian carpet, a green coffer with drawers, servants both male and female, and the poor of Lothbury parish.
Exact will wording here comes from publicly identifiable human modern-spelling transcripts of TNA PROB 11/140/505 and PROB 11/146/44. The registered-will images have not been inspected, so the underlying manuscript readings remain human_transcription_only.
Public sources: William's will transcript; Margery's will transcript; 1623 rate; 1624 rate.
The Lothbury Gallery and the remembered house
Constantijn Huygens supplies a room name absent from the deeds. In August 1655 he told Mary Killigrew Woodhouse that he had taken leave of her in “Lothbury Galery” about thirty-two years earlier. In October he wrote that “the old good dayes of Lothbury howse” would sometimes return to her memory. This establishes a gallery and an affectionate memory of the house as a social setting. The neighboring references to pictures, performances, and music describe what The Hague offered, however, and should not be converted into a literal inventory of the Lothbury rooms.
Public edition: J. A. Worp, ed., De Briefwisseling van Constantijn Huygens, letter 5427 and letter 5432.
The 1659/60 plan
Freshfield prints a 5 March 1659/60 deed and a survey plan dated 24 March. The plan labels St Margaret's church, churchyard, churchyard alley, vestry, parson's house, Baishford's house and garden, and the newly laid street that became Tokenhouse Yard. A related 8 March conveyance and plan survives as BL Add Ch 76982 A–B; the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries has a contemporary counterpart as RKN 43059. The 5 March and 8 March instruments are related but separately dated and should not be conflated.
This is the best accessible spatial witness for the former property, but it records a post-Killigrew redevelopment. It can constrain a reconstruction of the earlier complex; it cannot simply be relabelled as a plan of William's house in 1583 or 1618.
Full working record: Lothbury residence property-footprint extension.
Jaél de Peigne correspondence expansion, 2026-07-16
The dedicated Jaél de Peigne Killigrew Downham dossier materially deepens the Lothbury packet. Jaél's household is now supported not only by the three June 1601 naturalization letters, but by two direct French letters to Ralph Winwood and a probable continuation of the same diplomatic money channel in 1604.
22 June 1601, Lothbury: Jaél's postscript says that Mrs Neville and her daughter Seymour send remembrances. This directly places Anne Killigrew Neville and Dorothy Killigrew Seymour in Jaél's active household correspondence.14 October 1602, Cornhill near the Exchange: Jaél thanks Winwood, acknowledges money, sends an acquittance to her uncle, and mentionsMons. de Neville, her mother, and her husband. The printed HMC page readsNeville; the OCR readingSevilleis wrong.3 March 1602/3, Lothbury: Jaél reports receiving further money fromMr Paker, thanks Winwood for services to Mr Killigrew and herself, and says that her daughter Seymour is about to write.10 February 1604, Blackfriars: a letter from J. Beaulieu tells Dudley Carleton that Mrs Killigrew wants money conveyed through a returning man without writing to the ambassador. Jaél is the leading identification, but the calendar does not give a forename.
The Mr Paker of March 1603 is very probably John Packer, Henry Neville's former embassy secretary and Winwood's correspondent. Together with the explicit Mons. de Neville, this moves Jaél's Lothbury household from general kinship context into Neville's documented diplomatic and financial communications network. The purpose of the separate dossier is to keep the five securely named letters distinct from probable Mrs Killigrew references and from letters merely routed through Jaél's house.
Deep Research Update: Lothbury as a Working Kinship and Dispatch Node, 2026-07-13, revised 2026-07-16
The strongest way to use Lothbury is not to make an unproved claim that it was continuously “Neville's London house.” William's parish and title trail, Henry's repeated “my brother's house” datelines, and Neville's addressed correspondence instead support a more precise model: William held the principal documented Killigrew property, Henry maintained a household there, and Neville used that kinship geography for London business.
A newly page-controlled printed-calendar witness adds a human connection to the property evidence. John More wrote to Ralph Winwood from London on 17 March 1609/10 that he had carried one Winwood letter to Lady Bodley at Fulham and, on the next day, delivered another to “my Lady Neville”; both women wished Winwood's baby “all health and happiness.” The passage is visible on buccleuch n133. The printed calendar describes the underlying More letter as a holograph with seal.
“The next day my Lady Neville received from my hands your other letter; ... both wishing the babe all health and happiness.”
The calendar does not supply Lady Neville's forename. In this date and network the reference is plausibly to Anne Killigrew Neville, but that identification is not yet independently controlled and must remain unresolved. The safe conclusion is that a Lady Neville belonged to the same personal letter-delivery circuit as Winwood's Bodley stepfamily. The item should therefore be used as a targeted archival lead: locate the underlying Buccleuch/Winwood holograph and determine whether its address, endorsement, or surrounding correspondence identifies her.
This complements, rather than replaces, the stronger Lothbury controls already in the packet:
- BL
Add Ch 76967-76970documents a messuage and garden, later a capital messuage and garden, in St Margaret Lothbury across multiple Killigrew generations; - Neville's own
1598-1599datelines place him in Lothbury; - a separate BRO address directs correspondence to Sir Henry Killigrew's house in Lothbury, proving Henry's household use even though William's property trail and Henry's own datelines identify William as the underlying brother-householder;
- parish events and later family baptisms show repeated use of St Margaret Lothbury by collateral Killigrew branches.
The research consequence is a household-and-property map, not a careless equation of occupation with title. Future work should plot each named owner, charter, parish event, Neville dateline, and addressed letter by date. The present sequence strongly favors William's property as the basis of Henry's Lothbury address, while leaving the exact arrangement of rooms and parcels unresolved.
Manuscript/source audit for the new item
- Primary manuscript image: not obtained; the underlying More holograph remains unresolved.
- Independent non-AI control inspected: HMC Buccleuch printed calendar, p. 86.
- Decisive printed reading:
my Lady Nevilleis clear on the page image. - Remaining uncertainty: which Lady Neville is intended and where the original letter is now shelfmarked.
- Status:
human_transcription_onlyfor the underlying manuscript; the printed calendar may be quoted as the calendar's text.
Overview
This packet hardens the Lothbury evidence for the Killigrew family, especially as it affects Henry Neville's access to his wife's family network. The core point is narrow but important: the Killigrews had a documented Lothbury / St Margaret Lothbury presence, and this strengthens the plausibility of a concrete London household route between Neville, Anne Killigrew Neville, William Killigrew, Henry Killigrew, and the William Killigrew Holinshed copy.
This packet does not claim that Henry Neville annotated William Killigrew's Holinshed. It supports a source-access and family-household argument only.
Neville-lifetime evidence priority: for the book argument, this packet should foreground evidence dated through Henry Neville's death on 10 July 1615. The controlling Lothbury/Killigrew material is William's corrected 1582/3 house-and-garden minute, the 1584 St Margaret Lothbury marriage route, the 1587 dedication to Henry and Anne Neville, the 1589 Anne Neville jointure act, the 1594-1601 Hatfield/Lothbury and Neville-letter sequence, the 1601 control showing Neville lodged at Sir Henry Killigrew's with his cabinet there, and the 1615 BRO/will/IPM estate controls. Later Robert, William, Thomas, and Charles Killigrew evidence should be used as afterlife or back-proving context only.
Source-control position: the BRO transcriptions strengthen the Lothbury/Killigrew context but keep the same boundary. Doc_14d gives a direct address witness to Henry Neville at Sir Henry Killigrew's house in Lothbury; Doc_14g is Sir Henry Killigrew writing to Neville in France; Doc_13 identifies Dorothy Seymour as a Killigrew sister of Lady Neville; Doc_15b preserves a later "my brother Killigrewes" business-memory line; and Doc_20c names Sir Robert Killigrew among settlement actors. These support family, household, and estate-network proximity. They do not prove Neville used William Killigrew's Holinshed.
Deep-research source position: the separate packet robert thomas killigrew first folio theater branch now controls the Robert/Thomas/First-Folio branch. It upgrades Robert from a will-only friend to a verified Neville estate/trust actor in BRO D/EN/F6/1/16 and D/EN/F6/1/19, while preserving the will correction that Robert is a friend/plate-bequest recipient, not executor. It also corrects the First Folio lead: the accessible Folger/Cambridge controls point to Charles Killigrew, Thomas's son, as the documented Killigrew owner in the Congreve/Meisei line; Thomas ownership remains unproved. A further same-day pass directly collated Huygens no. 521 and no. 522 for the Donne/Hooft manuscript-circulation witness and controlled Farnaby's Robert Killigrew Martial dedication through 1644/1704 Archive.org reprint witnesses, while keeping the original 1615 STC edition as an image-collation follow-up.
Virginia/Farnaby update, corrected 2026-06-27: the Robert-side packet now adds a fuller Virginia Company lane from Kingsbury vols. 1-4: the 1609 charter overlap with Henry Neville, Southampton, and Robert; Robert's 1620 court/debt appearances; a 5 November 1621 Sandys-to-Ferrar letter saying Robert was chosen on Southampton's commendation for a Southampton Hundred supply/adventure role and was then lying in Lothbury; his 1622/3 joint-stock/tobacco intervention; his May 1623 records-commissioner committee role; and the 1624 Virginia government commission. The apparent 1613 Sir H. Neville Chancery suit is now excluded from the Henry Neville d. 1615 evidence set because Brown identifies that defendant as Henry Nevill of Kent. Folger Digital Collections also now controls the 1615 Farnaby Martial copy record, title page, and A1v Jonson/Briggs witness, although the original 1615 dedication leaf still needs image collation.
BHO/Hatfield source controls: British History Online public pages and visually inspected Archive.org page images now control several Cecil Papers Lothbury entries. They verify Sir Henry Killigrew's 1594 dwelling house beside the conduit in Lothbury; a 1594/5 Sir Henry Killigrew letter from his brother's house in Lothbury; and the 14 August 1596 “brother's house in Lothbury” wording previously preserved through a tweet-image trail. The deeper source ledger killigrew bho hatfield cspd archive source dossier also controls the 6 May 1598 Henry Nevill-from-Lothbury entry and the 6 March 1601 statement that Neville was lodged at Sir Henry Killigrew's and kept his cabinet there. The edited calendar page images have now been checked; the underlying Hatfield manuscripts remain the final source tier.
Direct-letter source controls: the Killigrew route is now stronger than household proximity alone. Neville's own letters place Sir Henry Killigrew in repeated operational roles: a 28 June 1599 embassy-expense request routes information to "mine uncle killigrew" and cousin Savile; the 28 July 1599 Cecil letter names "mine uncle Killigrew" as a witness to Cecil's continuing favor; a 27 June 1600 Jersey-governorship inquiry asks Cecil to signal support or dislike through "mine uncle killigrew"; a 28 December 1600 Winwood letter says the Queen was inquisitive of Winwood through Neville's uncle Killigrew and others; and the 9 July 1601 Tower letter says Neville held a Teller's place in the Exchequer jointly with Sir Henry Killigrew. Use these as a broker/office network, not just a residence trail.
DNB theatre-branch source position: Robert's son Sir William Killigrew inherited the Lothbury mansion and Kineton Park after Robert's death in 1633. That strengthens the Robert-to-younger-William continuity behind the 1631/2 Sir Robert and Sir William Lothbury grant and confirms why this packet must keep Sir William d. 1622 separate from Sir William 1606-1695.
1. Verified Sourced Facts
A. Henry Killigrew's Lothbury Household
- Folger's Elizabethan Court Day by Day: 1601 records that on
10 June 1601, fromLothbury, Lady Killigrew wrote to Thomas Windebank sending the naturalization letter for her to become an English subject. The same entry identifies her as Jael de Peigne, second wife of Sir Henry Killigrew.
- The same Folger entry records Windebank's
12 June 1601response to Lady Killigrew, stating that he had presented the queen with the letter to make her "an English lady," that Elizabeth had signed it quickly, and that Henry Killigrew should thank the queen in person when his health permitted.
- This is direct evidence that Henry Killigrew's second household was operating from Lothbury in 1601.
- A newly identified British Library catalogue entry strengthens Jaél's
correspondence network. Stowe MS 167, ff. 285r-286v, describes Ralph Winwood writing to Thomas Edmondes from Grenoble on 23 September 1601, thanking Edmondes for conveying the “affectuous remembrance” of Mrs. Killegrew and asking him to deliver Winwood's reply. Jaél is the leading identification: she was Sir Henry's second wife, was documented at Lothbury in June, and had just used the Windebank court channel for her naturalization. Katherine Cooke was dead and Anne Killigrew was Lady Neville. The identification remains very probable, not manuscript-proved, until the address, endorsement, and adjacent Stowe letters are inspected; Margery Saunders, wife of Sir William Killigrew, is the principal alternative. British Library, Stowe MS 167.
- British History Online's Cecil Papers pages now add earlier, public Hatfield controls:
- On
7 November 1594, Sir Henry Killigrew and Robert Beale directed Roger Saunders to require named Londoners to appear at Sir Henry Killigrew's dwelling house beside the conduit in Lothbury. - On
8 March 1594/5, a Sir Henry Killigrew letter to an unnamed lord is dated from his brother's house in Lothbury. - On
14 August 1596, an added note in H. Kyllygrew's hand is dated from his brother's house in Lothbury.
- These BHO/Hatfield controls confirm that the “brother's house in
Lothbury” line is not only a tweet-image lead. The corresponding printed Hatfield calendar page images have now been visually checked; the underlying manuscripts remain uninspected.
B. William Killigrew's Lothbury Property Trail
- Freshfield's printed vestry minute for
14 February 1582Old Style
(14 February 1583 modern) says that William sought access to “a howse and garden he hath there.” The agreement was recorded on 24 March 1582 Old Style (24 March 1583 modern). This is the earliest direct evidence found for William's current possession or occupation in Lothbury.
- Freshfield's directory of the parish in
1592 & 1593lists “Mr. William
Killigrewe” in the north-side Lothbury sequence immediately after St Margaret's churchyard and church.
- The British Library Archives and Manuscripts catalogue records a
5 April [1595]grant by John Leigh of London to Sir William Killigrew of "a messuage and garden in the parish of St Margaret Lothbury" (Add Ch 76967).
- The same catalogue records a
3 June [1597]quitclaim by John Leigh to Sir William Killigrew (Add Ch 76968), within the same St Margaret Lothbury property sequence.
- The same catalogue records a
29 November [1611]grant by Walter Kirkman of London to Sir William Killigrew of a garden in the parish of St Stephen, Coleman Street (Add Ch 76969). The catalogue groups this with charters relating to property in St Margaret Lothbury.
- The same catalogue records an
18 February 1631[/2]grant by Sir Robert Killigrew and Sir William Killigrew to Sir Thomas Penruddock and John Beauchamp of London of "a capital messuage and garden in the parish of St Margaret Lothbury" (Add Ch 76970). This post-1622 "Sir William" cannot be Sir Robert's father if the standard 23 November 1622 death date is correct; it is probably Sir Robert's son Sir William Killigrew, 1606-1695.
- The vestry minute, parish directory, and BL catalogue records provide a
property-and-residence sequence for William from early 1583 to the seventeenth century. They require strict distinction between Sir William Killigrew of Lothbury/Hanworth, d.1622, and the younger Sir William Killigrew, 1606-1695.
C. William Killigrew's Court Position and Hanworth Axis
- Folger's Court: Women at Court; Royal Household records William Killigrew as groom of the Privy Chamber by New Year
1575, with fee listed31 October 1578. It identifies him as son of John Killigrew of Cornwall and younger brother of Sir Henry Killigrew, Burghley's brother-in-law.
- Folger's Prominent Elizabethans records William Killigrew as younger brother of Sir Henry Killigrew, groom of the Privy Chamber by
1575, and notes royal visits or court references at Hanworth in1590,1592,1600, and1601.
- DNB page evidence for William Killigrew gives his death at Lothbury on
23 November 1622; this agrees with History-of-Parliament-derived summaries. On this chronology, he was alive in 1615, but he was not alive for the1631[/2]BL charter.
- This supports a two-axis household pattern: William Killigrew had a court/suburban base at Hanworth while also holding a documented St Margaret Lothbury property base.
D. Link to Neville
- Anne Killigrew Neville was the daughter of Sir Henry Killigrew and Katherine Cooke. Her marriage to Henry Neville at St Margaret Lothbury is covered in anne killigrew neville.
- DNB's Sir Henry Killigrew entry gives a useful T2 control for the immediate genealogy: Henry Killigrew, diplomat, was husband first of Catherine Cooke and father of Anne Killigrew, who married first Sir Henry Neville and secondly George Carleton, Bishop of Chichester.
- The same DNB entry states that Henry Killigrew's London residence was in Lothbury, which independently supports the Lothbury household axis already preserved in the packet.
- The existing Holinshed/Killigrew packet preserves tweet/blog and image evidence that the 1577 Holinshed copy at issue bears William Killigrew's name and that Ken Feinstein's Lothbury thread connects the copy to the Neville-Killigrew in-law route.
- The newly verified Lothbury property and household evidence strengthens the family-access lane, but it does not establish direct Neville use of that specific Holinshed copy.
- Neville's own 1599-1601 letters now show Sir Henry Killigrew functioning as a practical broker for embassy expenses, Cecil favor, Jersey patronage, court reputation, and an Exchequer office link. This is distinct from, but reinforces, the Lothbury address/property lane.
- MegaLetters
Doc 54 PRO 152 155adds a separate Killigrew/Neville social-network witness: in a letter to Neville from Lyons, John Holles closes with remembrance to "my Lady, & my cosen Killigrew." The same letter is also useful for Neville's ambassadorial network because Holles asks Neville to seek redress after French guards searched and extorted him while he was walking to see Lyons antiquities. The year of the13 Aprildate needs independent dating before the item is used in book prose.
- A BHO/Cecil Papers page for
August 1600, 1-15gives a useful proximity control rather than a single combined event: it calendars Sir Henry Neville arriving at Dover from Boulogne with his wife and family on2 August 1600, and, in the same page range, a14 August 1600petition-like letter from Mrs. Dorothy Killigrewe to Sir Robert Cecil about her husband John Killigrew. This does not prove a direct Neville/Killigrew transaction, but it keeps Neville's returning diplomatic household and Killigrew/Cecil business in the same Hatfield calendar neighborhood.
E. Robert Killigrew's Sons and the Later Theatre Branch
- DNB identifies Sir Robert Killigrew as son of Sir William Killigrew and Margaret/Margery Saunders, and as husband of Mary Woodhouse.
- DNB states that Sir Robert Killigrew had five sons and seven daughters, specifically naming among the sons William, Thomas the dramatist, and Henry the divine, and naming Elizabeth as wife of Francis Boyle, first Viscount Shannon.
- Ken Feinstein's preserved 2019 Killigrew/Holinshed blog states that Robert Killigrew was "very closely connected to Henry Neville" and that Neville explicitly mentions Robert in his will. This is important because it would put Robert inside Neville's death/estate circle, not merely in the collateral in-law tree.
- Source-tier update, 2026-05-01: the direct Neville will/probate witness has now been located as The National Archives,
PROB 11/126/63, with local copy at[local source path removed]. The preferred v3 working transcription is filed at[local source path removed]. It reads Robert Killigrew as a friend and plate-bequest recipient, not as executor: "freindes Sr Robert Killigrewe and Sr William Burlace to eache of them a peece of plate of tenne poundes."
- Separate caution, updated
2026-05-27: the redone 1615 inquisition transcription recites earlier1605and1609/10settlement deeds naming Sir William Killigrew, Robert's father, as a feoffee/trustee. It does not mention Robert, and it should not be phrased as a fresh October 1615 appointment.
- Thomas Killigrew is therefore not a Neville descendant, but he is an important collateral Killigrew in-law figure. On the DNB/Vivian-derived family line, he is Anne Killigrew Neville's first cousin once removed.
- DNB identifies Thomas Killigrew as born in Lothbury on 7 February 1611/12 and baptized at St Margaret Lothbury on 20 February. CELM emphasizes his later role as theatrical manager and entrepreneur, including the 1660 joint monopoly with Sir William Davenant for two Restoration companies.
- Deep-research source position: the Robert-side learned-household case is now stronger than the older will/blog summary. EMLO places young Robert Killigrew on a
1596-1599Casaubon/Italy itinerary as pupil of Richard Thomson, with Sir William Killigrew procuring Thomson's denization. Huygens's correspondence database separately gives three1630letters to Sir Robert Killigrew and further letters to Mary Woodhouse/Killigrew. The First Folio correction is also sharper: Cambridge's public preview identifies the Charles Killigrew / Congreve / Meisei copy asMR3600, while Meisei's public Yamada project isMR774, a different annotated First Folio copy.
- Kingsbury / Virtual Jamestown now adds a direct Robert-side Lothbury access witness: in a Ferrar Papers letter of
5 November 1621, Sir Edwin Sandys tells John Ferrar that Sir Robert Killigrew should be inserted as a present adventurer for Southampton Hundred supplies and that Ferrar should go to Robert because Robert was lying in Lothbury. This is after Henry Neville's death, but it confirms Robert as a Lothbury-accessible Virginia/Southampton figure in the same family/property orbit.
- This branch matters for the book as a post-1615 literary/theatrical afterlife of the Killigrew-Neville in-law world, not as direct evidence for Shakespeare authorship.
Quoted Source Passages
1. A BRO Address Places Neville at Sir Henry Killigrew's Lothbury House
- Source: John Remington to Henry Neville,
D/EN/F6/2/5, Doc 14d D EN F6 2 5. - Quotation:
"m^r Henry Nevill Esquire at S^r Henry Killigrewes howse in Lothberie London"
- What it proves: The BRO address leaf directly places Henry Neville at Sir Henry Killigrew's house in Lothbury as a receiving point for John Remington's Lund estate business. The body asks Neville to settle a Chancery release and £500 matter before going to France, so Lothbury functioned here as an operational kinship and dispatch address, not merely a genealogical association.
- Limits: The document is undated. The esquire address, projected French departure, and pre-knighthood terminus place it probably in late 1598-early April 1599, but do not establish a specific month or prove that Neville stayed there "often." Remington's greeting to
my very good Landladiemost naturally concerns Anne Killigrew Neville, but her name is not written.
2. Sir Henry Killigrew Writes to Neville in France, 27 May 1600
- Source: Sir Henry Killigrew to Sir Henry Neville,
27 May 1600,D/EN/F6/2/1, Doc 14g D EN F6 2 1. - Quotation:
"Henry Nevill knight her ma^ts Embassado^r resident w^th / the ffrench king in ffraunce"
- What it proves: The BRO corpus has a direct Killigrew-to-Neville embassy letter, not merely family inference. Killigrew was mediating an account for Neville's “two sonnes at schole and borde,” containing over-liberal servant speech, and promising “the parte of a frend inwardely.”
- Date control: the lower paragraph reads “my L. of Wormond is still prisoner.” The manuscript form is Ormond; Thomas Butler, tenth Earl of Ormond, was captured on 10 April 1600 and remained captive until June. A Hatfield calendar entry records a premature 28 April report of his delivery. Together those controls fix the letter's
27 of Mayto 1600. - Limits: four maritime-intelligence lines after the Ormond report and the foot postscript remain unresolved and are not continuously quoted.
3. Dorothy Seymour Identifies the Killigrew/Neville Family Link
- Source: Dorothy Killigrew Seymour to her brother-in-law Sir Henry Neville,
18 January(year not written; context strongly indicates1605),D/EN/F6/2/7, Doc 13 D EN F6 2 7. - Quotation:
"daughter of Sir Henry Killigrew & sister of Lady Neville"; "from my sister Seymore"; "Killigrew arms"
- What it proves: Dorothy herself uses sibling language for her brother-in-law; the signature, early docket, and later pedigree connect her to Anne Killigrew Neville. The letter also documents Neville's leg trouble, proposed Bath and Devon journey, and Dorothy's concern for ministers losing their livings. The later pedigree is not authenticated as Neville's hand.
- Limits: The note layer and main letter hand should remain distinguished in final prose.
4. BHO/Hatfield Controls the Lothbury Brother's-House Formula
- Source: BHO/Cecil Papers controls cited in this packet and in killigrew bho hatfield cspd archive source dossier.
- Quotation:
"beside the Conduit in Lothbury"; "From my brother's house in Lothbury"
- What it proves: The Lothbury house language is supported by public edited Hatfield calendar text, not only by a tweet image.
- Limits: These remain calendar witnesses until the underlying Hatfield manuscript images are checked.
5. Neville's Will Names Robert Killigrew as a Friend and Plate Recipient
- Source: Henry Neville will,
PROB 11/126/63, controlled in henry neville will 1615. - Quotation:
"freindes Sr Robert Killigrewe and Sr William Burlace"; "a peece of plate of tenne poundes"
- What it proves: Robert Killigrew is in Neville's death/estate circle as a named friend and plate-bequest recipient.
- Limits: The will does not make Robert Killigrew an executor.
6. Neville's Estate Instructions Name Robert Killigrew as a Feoffee
- Source: Sir Henry Neville draft instructions,
D/EN/F6/1/16, Doc 20c D EN F6 1 16 Neville Lawrence Waltham draft. - Quotation:
"S^r Richard worseley, S^r rafe winwood, S^r Maurice Berkeley, S^r Robert Killigrew, S^r william Burlas, S^r Henry Savill"
- What it proves: Robert Killigrew belongs in Neville's estate-trust/feoffee network alongside Winwood, Berkeley, Burlase, and Savile.
- Limits: This is a draft estate-instruction witness; it should be kept distinct from the proved will and IPM layers.
7. The East India Timber Letter Shows Smythe Addressing Neville as Kinsman/Friend
- Source: Sir Thomas Smythe to Sir Henry Neville,
10 August 1609,D/EN/F6/1/16, Doc 20a D EN F6 1 16 Smythe EIC timber 1609. - Quotation:
"To my honorable frend and Cosen S^r Henry [Nevill] ... at Billingbeare"
- What it proves: Smythe addressed the elder Sir Henry Neville at Billingbear as friend and cousin, placing the timber transaction within their family/business network.
- Limits: The wording does not by itself define the exact genealogical route of
Cosen, and it does not independently prove Holinshed access.
William Killigrew at the Gresham College rhetoric election, 14 August 1598
William Killigrew's documented London activity now extends beyond the Lothbury property and court household. On 14 August 1598, he appeared with Julius Caesar at the Mercers' election of a successor to Caleb Willis, Gresham College's deceased rhetoric professor. Ian Adamson's printed transcription of Mercers' Company MAC 1596-1625, f. 20v describes the Queen as represented by:
“Mr Doctor (Julius) Caesar one of her Majesties Court of Requests and Mr
William Killigrewe one of her Majesty's Privy Chamber”
The kinship is direct and should be stated precisely. William was the younger brother of Sir Henry Killigrew, Anne Killigrew Neville's father. He was therefore Anne's paternal uncle and Henry Neville's uncle by marriage. This is the clearest presently documented occasion on which a member of Neville's Killigrew marriage family participated in the business of Gresham College during Neville's lifetime.
The election record contains an unresolved internal problem. Sir John Stanhope's written message supported Richard Ball after the Queen had seen Ball's testimonials, while Caesar and Killigrew were recorded as conveying the Queen's pleasure “to have the said Mr Sharp preferred.” The Mercers elected Ball by show of hands. Sharp disputed the outcome, and the matter returned on 14 November 1598 (f. 22v). The two messages should not be silently harmonized: they may record competing instructions, a reporting problem, or a complication visible only in the original minutes.
The finding also tightens the Lothbury chronology. William was already the documented St Margaret Lothbury property holder; Sir Henry Killigrew called the address “my brother's house”; and Henry Neville wrote from Lothbury in May 1598 while Anne was seriously ill. Four months later William served as a royal representative at the Gresham election. This juxtaposition shows one member of the same family household operating in the College's patronage world. It does not show that William governed the College, acted on Neville's instructions, or gave Neville a College office.
Source control:
- Ian Adamson, So Noble a Design: Gresham College and the Royal Society
- Underlying record: Mercers' Company
MAC 1596-1625, f. 20v, - Status: the quotation is from Adamson's printed transcription. The original
- Full synthesis:
(Brill, 2023), chapter 3, pp. 82-83, book DOI.
14 August 1598; later controversy at f. 22v, 14 November 1598.
company folios have not been inspected and remain priority retrievals.
GRESHAM COLLEGE NEVILLE FAMILY DEEP DIVE 2026 07 19.
2. Ken Feinstein Twitter and Blog Information
- Ken Feinstein's Holinshed/Killigrew thread argues that Henry Neville stayed at Lothbury often while in London, either with William Killigrew or with Sir Henry Killigrew, Neville's father-in-law.
- The same thread preserves a image witnesses of a Henry Killigrew letter with the wording:
"From my brother's house in Lothbury, this 14 of August, 1596"
- The same thread connects that Lothbury household evidence to William Killigrew's 1577 Holinshed copy and to marked Holinshed passages relevant to Shakespeare's history plays.
- This remains an important research lead, but the "Neville stayed there often" formulation should be treated as Feinstein interpretation unless each Neville-from-Lothbury letter is separately extracted and mapped.
3. Quoted Source Text
Folger / Court Calendar
- "June 10, Lothbury, Lady Killigrew to Thomas Windebank"
- "I have presented to her Majesty the letter to make you an English lady"
- "When your husband's health permits he should thank the Queen in person."
British Library Catalogue
- "Grant by John Leigh of London to (Sir) William Killigrew, of a messuage and garden in the parish of St Margaret Lothbury; 5 April [1595]."
- "Quitclaim by John Leigh to (Sir) William Killigrew; 3 June [1597]."
- "Grant by Walter Kirkman of London to Sir William Killigrew of a garden in the parish of St Stephen, Coleman Street, 29 Nov. [1611]."
- "Grant by Sir Robert and Sir William Killigrew ... of a capital messuage and garden in the parish of St Margaret Lothbury; 18 Feb. 1631[/2]." Note: this "Sir William" is probably the younger Sir William Killigrew, 1606-1695.
Feinstein Image-Led Trail
- "From my brother's house in Lothbury, this 14 of August, 1596"
- "His father, Robert Killigrew, was very closely connected to Henry Neville; Neville explicitly mentions Robert in his will."
Probate / IPM Trail
PROB 11/126/63
- "freindes Sr Robert Killigrewe and Sr William Burlace to eache of them a peece / of plate of tenne poundes."
- "Henricum Savile militem Georgium Burnell gener et Willm Killigrewe milit"
BHO / Cecil Papers / Hatfield
- "beside the Conduit in Lothbury"
- "From my brother's house in Lothbury"
DNB / CELM
- Sir Henry Killigrew's "London residence was in Lothbury."
- Sir William Killigrew died at Lothbury on 23 November 1622.
- Thomas Killigrew was "son of Sir Robert Killigrew" and born in Lothbury.
- CELM identifies Thomas Killigrew as a theatre manager and entrepreneur with a 1660 joint monopoly with Sir William Davenant.
4. Citations
- Colthorpe, Marion E. The Elizabethan Court Day by Day: 1601. Folger Shakespeare Library / Folgerpedia. See June 10-22, 1601 entries for Jael, Lady Killigrew, Thomas Windebank, and naturalization correspondence. https://folgerpedia.folger.edu/mediawiki/media/images_pedia_folgerpedia_mw/3/39/ECDbD_1601.pdf
- Freshfield, Edwin, ed. The Vestry Minute Book of the Parish of St Margaret, Lothbury, in the City of London, 1571–1677 (London, 1887), printed p. 15, directory for 1592–93, and p. 46. Google Books.
- Colthorpe, Marion E. Court: Women at Court; Royal Household. Folger Shakespeare Library / Folgerpedia. See William Killigrew entry under New Year 1575. https://folgerpedia.folger.edu/mediawiki/media/images_pedia_folgerpedia_mw/archive/d/da/20170731134752%21ECDbD_Court_Women_Royal_Household.pdf
- Colthorpe, Marion E. Prominent Elizabethans. Folger Shakespeare Library / Folgerpedia. See William Killigrew entry. https://folgerpedia.folger.edu/mediawiki/media/images_pedia_folgerpedia_mw/archive/a/aa/20170623163303%21ECDbD_Prominent_Elizabethans.pdf
- British Library Archives and Manuscripts Catalogue, search results for Add Ch 76967-76970, St Margaret Lothbury / William Killigrew property charters. https://searcharchives.bl.uk/?f%5Brelated_places_ssim%5D%5B%5D=London%2C+United+Kingdom&page=5&per_page=100
- Calendar of State Papers, Domestic Series, of the Reign of Elizabeth, 1598-1601, for the
3 January 1598Lothbury entry: "Sir H. Killigrew to Sec. Cecil." Internet Archive / Wikimedia scan. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Calendar_of_state_papers%2C_Domestic_series%2C_of_the_reigns_of_Edward_VI.%2C_Mary%2C_Elizabeth%2C_1547-%281625%29_%28IA_cu31924091775290%29.pdf - Roberts, R. A., ed. "Cecil Papers: November 1594." Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House: Volume 5, 1594-1595. London, 1894. British History Online: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-cecil-papers/vol5/pp16-26 [accessed 24 June 2026]. Public BHO body text verified for Sir Henry Killigrew's dwelling house beside the conduit in Lothbury.
- Roberts, R. A., ed. "Cecil Papers: March 1595, 1-15." Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House: Volume 5, 1594-1595. London, 1894. British History Online: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-cecil-papers/vol5/pp128-145 [accessed 24 June 2026]. Public BHO body text verified for Sir Henry Killigrew's
8 March 1594/5brother's-house-in-Lothbury dating. - Roberts, R. A., ed. "Cecil Papers: August 1596, 1-15." Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House: Volume 6, 1596. London, 1895. British History Online: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-cecil-papers/vol6/pp309-338 [accessed 24 June 2026]. Public BHO body text verified for the
14 August 1596H. Kyllygrew brother's-house-in-Lothbury note. - Roberts, R. A., ed. Calendar of the Manuscripts of the Most Honourable the Marquess of Salisbury, vols. 5, 6, and 11. The printed pages for 7 November 1594, 8 March 1594/5, 14 August 1596, and 6 March 1600/1 were visually checked in the public scans: vol. 5, vol. 6, and vol. 11.
- Roberts, R. A., ed. "Cecil Papers: August 1600, 1-15." Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House: Volume 10, 1600. London, 1904. British History Online: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-cecil-papers/vol10/pp257-279 [accessed 24 June 2026]. Public BHO body text verified for Sir Henry Neville's return through Dover with wife/family and the separate Mrs. Dorothy Killigrewe entry in the same page range.
- Henderson, Thomas Finlayson. "Killigrew, Henry (d.1603)." Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Killigrew,_Henry_(d.1603))
- Knight, John Joseph. "Killigrew, William." Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Killigrew,_William
- Seccombe, Thomas. "Killigrew, Robert." Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Killigrew,_Robert
- Knight, John Joseph. "Killigrew, Thomas (1612-1683)." Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Killigrew,_Thomas_(1612-1683))
- Beal, Peter. "Thomas Killigrew." Catalogue of English Literary Manuscripts 1450-1700. https://celm.folger.edu/introductions/KilligrewThomas.html
- Genealogy source-control packet: killigrew robert sons theatre branch
- Robert Killigrew person-control packet: KIL 1633 ROBERT
- ChatGPT-generated background report supplied by Ken Feinstein: deep research report. Used as a lead file only; its inline citations are not stable source citations.
- Feinstein, Ken. "William Killigrew's Holinshed's Chronicles, Henry Neville, and Shakespeare?" kenfeinstein.blogspot.com, 26 June 2019. Local preservation: blog killigrews holinshed neville 2019 06 26.
- holinsheds chronicles killigrew copy and henry neville
- anne killigrew neville
- Henry Neville letter packets for direct Killigrew broker controls: letter 128, letter 015, letter 099, letter 080, and letter 145 cecil 1601 07 09.
- Direct will packet: henry neville will 1615.
- Redone inquisition transcription,
C 142/356/123/002, added2026-05-27: C 142 356 123 002. - neville inquisition 1615, controlling IPM packet.
- John Holles to Sir Henry Neville, Lyons,
13 Aprilyear uncertain: Doc 54 PRO 152 155. - MegaLetters source-routing dossier: megaletters pro 30 50 source dossier.
- BRO/Royal Berkshire Killigrew/Lothbury controls:
- Doc 13 D EN F6 2 7
- Doc 14d D EN F6 2 5
- Doc 14g D EN F6 2 1
- Doc 15b D EN F45 2 London business 1614
- Doc 20c D EN F6 1 16 Neville Lawrence Waltham draft
5. Notes on Access
- The added
deep research reportis useful as a research digest, but itsturn...citations are not portable and should not be used as final citations. - The British Library catalogue entries are strong but still catalogue-level witnesses. The ideal next step is to obtain images or detailed descriptions of Add Ch 76967-76970.
- The Folger court-day PDFs are high-quality scholarly compilations. For the strongest possible version, the underlying state-paper references for Jael Killigrew's naturalization letters should be checked directly.
- The Henry Killigrew "brother's house in Lothbury" image is currently preserved through the Feinstein tweet/image layer; it should be matched to an archival witness before being promoted fully into verified sourced facts.
- This packet strengthens the Lothbury access route for the Killigrew/Holinshed material but preserves the existing rule: do not attribute the Holinshed annotations to Henry Neville.
- The Robert/Thomas Killigrew branch should be treated as a later collateral Killigrew theatrical branch. It is important, but it is not a direct Neville descendant line.
- Robert Killigrew should be treated as a Neville testamentary associate in a narrow, sourced sense: the preferred v3 working transcription reads him as a friend and plate-bequest recipient. Do not call him executor unless a later image audit overturns the present transcription.
- The redone IPM transcription strengthens the William Killigrew trustee/feoffee point but does not change the Robert Killigrew caution. William appears in earlier settlement recitals; Robert appears in the probate-will transcription as a friend/plate-bequest recipient.
- A prior version of this packet risked implying that Sir William Killigrew of Lothbury/Hanworth was involved in a 1631/2 grant after his death. That has been corrected: the 1631/2 "Sir William" must be the younger Sir William if the 1622 death date is correct.
- BRO source controls: the new Lothbury address evidence improves the household-route argument, but final book prose still needs image collation and should not turn household proximity into proven source use.
Additional Fact-Source Notes
- BRO strengthens the Lothbury/Killigrew context through direct Neville household and family-route evidence:
Doc_14daddresses Neville at Sir Henry Killigrew's house,Doc_14glinks Killigrew to Neville,Doc_13identifies Dorothy Seymour as a Killigrew sister of Lady Neville,Doc_15buses "my brother Killigrewes," andDoc_20csupplies settlement actors. - This does not prove that Neville used William Killigrew's Holinshed, and it should not say the Holinshed annotations match Neville's known annotations.
- Robert Killigrew remains a friend/plate-bequest recipient in the preferred working transcription, not an executor unless a future will audit changes that reading.
2026-07-17: Lothbury tested as the table in Drury's complaint
The Lothbury evidence makes it the only serious English rival to Neville's Paris house in the Robert Drury–Humphrey Flood problem. Neville had used the address before the embassy; a Berkshire letter directs him at Sir Henry Killigrew's house before he went to France; and in 1601 he lodged in the household where a cabinet of his papers was kept. A correspondent could, in principle, use your house for a household in which Neville lodged or whose staff handled his affairs.
The rival presently fails at its central point. No located record shows Lothbury assembling, opening, or storing the ambassador's diplomatic packets in spring 1600. The property was William Killigrew's complex supporting Henry Killigrew's household, whereas a same-series letter directs Neville to “his house in Parris.” Neville's own April 1600 dispatch also describes gentlemen bringing packets to him in Paris. Cecil's letter for Drury, put “by the Poste in your packet,” therefore points toward the embassy, not toward a private London table.
The correct research position is not to erase Lothbury but to retain it as a falsifiable alternative. Evidence that Humphrey Flood remained in England throughout March–April 1600, or a record of Neville's packets being handled at Lothbury, would materially change the conclusion. Without that evidence, Paris remains the best reconstruction.
Full comparison: sir robert drury nevilles house and drury house.
Manuscript claim audit, 17 July 2026
Primary Drury images checked: PRO 30/50/2/97–98. Independent controls: O'Donnell transcription and Winwood's printed packet passages. Lothbury manuscript controls remain claim-specific under this topic's existing verification record; none independently identifies the May 1600 table. Status: Lothbury as referent remains unresolved_rival.
Round 9 fact/source audit — 8 August 2026
The accumulated evidence supports a household model more precise than “Neville's London house.” William Killigrew had a house and garden beside St Margaret Lothbury by early 1583; records call Henry Killigrew's dwelling beside the Lothbury conduit in 1594; Neville wrote from Lothbury in 1598 and used the Killigrew household as a family and dispatch address. Tenure, household occupation, and a correspondent's dateline are separate facts.
The 1601–04 Jaél de Peigne material deepens the same node: letters and money instructions route through the Killigrew household, Mons. de Neville, Winwood, and very probably John Packer. This is a documented diplomatic-financial connection, not merely generalized kinship. The May 1600 table or house mentioned elsewhere remains unresolved because no Lothbury record independently identifies it.