Traveling in Europe
TBD Draft source map packet
Topic: Traveling in Europe
1. Verified Sourced Facts
- The local wiki page identifies the topic as:
“Traveling in Europe”
- The same page lists as its primary reference:
“Todd, Robert B. "Henry and Thomas Savile in Italy." Bibliotheque D'Humanisme Et Renaissance, vol. 58, no. 2, 1996, pp. 439-444.”
- Robert Shephard and Noel J. Kinnamon write of Robert Sidney’s continental tour that Sir Henry Sidney was glad Robert had:
“fallen into consort and fellowship with Sir Harry Neville’s son and heir, and one Master Savile”
- The same article identifies
Master Savileas:
“Henry—later Sir Henry Savile”
- The same article states that in his
28 October 1580letter Sir Henry Sidney:
“strongly implied that Robert and Henry Neville the younger had met each other”
- The same article quotes Sir Henry Sidney as writing:
“There can be no greater love than of long time hath been, and yet is, between Sir Harry Neville and me, and so will continue till our lives end.”
- The same article states that Philip Sidney sent greetings to:
“Master Neville, Master Savile, and honest Harry Whyte”
- Shephard and Kinnamon state that Savile and Neville had embarked on their own continental tour in
1578and that the two travel groups:
“joined forces in 1580 for the journey through Germany to Prague.”
- The same article connects this travel setting to Robert Sidney's later Tacitus interests, stating that his interest in Tacitus, including his ownership and annotation of Justus Lipsius's edition, may have dated from this period.
- Joel Davis's full-OCR-checked article strengthens the later Tacitus side of this travel lane: Robert Sidney signed his
1585Plantin/Lipsius Tacitus at The Hague on20 Jan. 1585(1586new style), while serving in the Low Countries, and Davis argues that he probably annotated the book in that active campaign setting. - Source-hardening caution: Shephard and Kinnamon explicitly say the ODNB entry for Henry Neville errs when it says Neville traveled with Philip rather than Robert Sidney. This packet should therefore identify Robert Sidney as the travel-correspondence anchor, while noting that Philip Sidney appears as correspondent/greeting-sender.
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3. Quoted Source Text
Traveling in Europe wiki page
- “Henry and Thomas Savile in Italy.”
Shephard and Kinnamon
- “fallen into consort and fellowship with Sir Harry Neville’s son and heir, and one Master Savile”
- “Henry—later Sir Henry Savile”
- “strongly implied that Robert and Henry Neville the younger had met each other”
- “There can be no greater love than of long time hath been, and yet is, between Sir Harry Neville and me, and so will continue till our lives end.”
- “Master Neville, Master Savile, and honest Harry Whyte”
- “joined forces in 1580 for the journey through Germany to Prague”
- “erroneously states that he traveled with Philip rather than Robert Sidney”
4. Citations
- “Traveling in Europe.” Henry Neville Research Wiki, 14 Oct. 2019, http://nevilleresearch.com/index.php?title=Traveling_in_Europe.
- wiki_traveling_europe.md, local preservation of the wiki page.
- Todd, Robert B. “Henry and Thomas Savile in Italy.” Bibliothèque d’Humanisme et Renaissance, vol. 58, no. 2, 1996, pp. 439-444. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/20678092.
- Shephard, Robert, and Noel J. Kinnamon. “The Sidney Family Correspondence during Robert Sidney’s Continental Tour, 1579-1581.” Sidney Journal, vol. 25, nos. 1-2, 2007. Local PDF: sidney_family_correspondence.pdf.
- robert_sidney_henry_neville_and_henry_savile.md, direct packet for the Sidney/Neville/Savile travel evidence.
- Davis, Joel. “Robert Sidney’s Marginal Comments on Tacitus and the English Campaigns in the Low Countries.” Local PDF: Robert_Sidney_Marginal_Comments_Tacitus.pdf. Full local OCR text: Robert_Sidney_Marginal_Comments_Tacitus_FULL_OCR.txt.
5. Notes on Access
- The wiki points to this external resource:
- Todd, “Henry and Thomas Savile in Italy”
- The Shephard and Kinnamon article supplies direct evidence that Henry Neville the younger and Henry Savile were together on the continent in the Robert Sidney travel correspondence.
- The Robert Sidney distinction matters: Philip Sidney is present in the correspondence network, but the direct travel-companion evidence preserved by this PDF concerns Robert Sidney.
- Source-hardening result,
2026-04-27: the article supports a stronger travel formulation than a loose "Neville went to Italy" summary. It gives a specific joined-forces model: Savile and Neville had their own continental tour from1578, then joined Robert Sidney's group in1580for the journey through Germany to Prague. It also supplies a Tacitus/Lipsius bridge for later Robert Sidney and Savile packets. - Source-hardening result,
2026-04-28: Davis adds a concrete later outcome of the Robert Sidney travel/military lane. Sidney's Tacitus was not just a gentlemanly book; it was likely read in or near active Low Countries service, with annotation interests in mutiny, princely jealousy, and command. This helps explain why the Neville/Savile/Sidney travel cluster matters for the book's source-culture argument. - Todd still needs direct extraction if this packet is to be expanded beyond the Sidney correspondence witness now included here.