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Ben Jonson

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Haterius, Lost Epigrammes, and Memorial Language

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Jonson Evidence Lanes

This packet now separates three Jonson lanes that older notes tended to blend: the 1623 First Folio prefatory poems, the 1616 Jonson folio epigram to Sir Henry Nevil, and later/secondary commentary or Ken Feinstein interpretation.

Quoted Source Passages

Follow SOURCE QUOTATION STANDARD. These are the decisive short passages for the Jonson/Neville/Haterius lanes.

First Folio Jonson witness

"To the memory of my beloued, The AVTHOR MR. WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE"

"BEN: IONSON"

1616 Jonson epigram to Sir Henry Nevil

"CIX . TO SIR HENRY NEVIL . WHo now calls on thee , NEVIL , is a Muse ,

That serues nor fame , nor titles ; but doth chuse

Where vertue makes them both , and that 's in thee :

Where all is faire , beside thy pedigree ."

"To make thy lent life , good against the Fates :

And first to know thine owne state , then the States .

To be the same in roote , thou art in height ;

And that thy soule should giue thy flesh her weight .

Goe on , and doubt not , what posteritie ,

Now I haue sung thee thus , shall iudge of thee .

Thy deedes , vnto thy name , will proue new wombes ,

Whil'st others toyle for titles to their tombes ."

Haterius/Shakespeare comparison

"Hee was ( indeed ) honest , and of an open , and free nature :

had an excellent Phantsie ; brave notions , and gentle expressions :

wherein hee flow'd with that facility , that sometime it was necessary

he should be stop'd : Augustus in Hat . Sufflaminandus erat ;

as Augustus said of Haterius . His wit was in his owne power ;

would the rule of it had beene so too ."

Haterius in Greenwey/Tacitus

"many being of opinion that it it was conuenient , that the Pretor

should haue authoritie to whip the stage-plaiers . But Haterius Agrippa

Tribune of the people contradicted him : whom Asinius Gallus rebuked

in an oration : Tiberius holding his peace ; suffering the Senate to vse

that shadow of libertie . Yet Haterius preuailed , bicause Augustus had

once declared the stage-plaiers to be free from stripes"

Haterius as Senator/Orator

"In the ende of this yeere two famous men died , Asinius Agrippa ,

rather of a renowned then auncient stocke , himselfe not degenerating

from them ; and Q. Haterius descended from Senators , whilest he liued

greatly esteemed for eloquence : but monuments of his wit there are none ;

bicause he was esteemed rather for vehemencie and quicke deliuerie ,

then diligence and premeditation ."

Lost printed Epigrammes route

"Ben Jhonsons Epigrammes"

3. Checked Source Lanes

A. 1623 First Folio Jonson poems

B. 1616 Jonson folio epigram to Sir Henry Nevil

C. Donne / Beaumont / Nevil Muse pattern

D. Jonson / Savile library lane

E. Jonson / Shakespeare / Haterius lane

F. Lost ca. 1612 Epigrammes edition

G. Memorial-language audit for the Nevil epigram

4. Claims Demoted or Held

5. Book-Safe Formulation

A source-controlled version can say:

Ben Jonson is a direct First Folio prefatory witness: EarlyPrint A11954 preserves the title-page-facing poem signed B.I. and the longer Shakespeare encomium signed BEN: IONSON. Jonson is also a direct Neville witness in his own 1616 folio: A04632 prints epigram CIX. TO SIR HENRY NEVIL, opening with Nevil as a Muse and later invoking posterity. These are real textual connections. They do not by themselves prove that Jonson organized the First Folio, concealed authorship, or transmitted Neville manuscripts.

For the Haterius lane, a book-safe sentence is:

In Jonson's later Shakespeare reminiscence, preserved in the 1641 second volume, Jonson praises Shakespeare's nature and imagination but says his fluent wit sometimes needed checking, invoking Augustus's saying about Haterius. Because Haterius is a Roman senator/orator in the Tacitus/Suetonius tradition, the comparison can be read as a discreet political allusion to Sir Henry Neville, a parliamentarian whom Jonson separately praised. That is an interpretive connection, not a direct identification.

The Greenwey/Tacitus support can be added cautiously:

Greenwey's 1598 English Tacitus strengthens the classical route because it presents Haterius both as a Senate/oratory figure and, in book 1, as the man whose intercession prevailed in a dispute over the punishment of stage-players. This makes the Haterius choice unusually apt for a learned, theatrical, political allusion, while still falling short of proving Jonson's intent.

For the Nevil epigram dating lane, a book-safe sentence is:

The 1616 Works prints Jonson's epigram to Sir Henry Nevil after Neville's death, and its language of lent life, Fates, posterity, and tombes is compatible with memorial reading. But Tara Lyons's evidence for a lost printed Epigrammes before 1616 means the poem may have existed while Neville was alive unless we can prove it was absent from the lost ca. 1612 edition or revised after July 1615.

6. Citations

7. image witnesses Witnesses and Page-Image Controls

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First Folio Jonson To the Reader
First Folio Jonson To the Reader

First Folio Jonson long poem opening
First Folio Jonson long poem opening

Jonson 1616 To Sir Henry Nevil opening crop
Jonson 1616 To Sir Henry Nevil opening crop

Jonson 1616 To Sir Henry Nevil close crop
Jonson 1616 To Sir Henry Nevil close crop

Preserved tweet-media witnesses

Ben Jonson epigram to Henry Neville, image 1
Ben Jonson epigram to Henry Neville, image 1

Ben Jonson epigram to Henry Neville, image 2
Ben Jonson epigram to Henry Neville, image 2

Ben Jonson epigram to Henry Neville, Folger digital image
Ben Jonson epigram to Henry Neville, Folger digital image

Ben Jonson epigram pattern, Donne
Ben Jonson epigram pattern, Donne

Ben Jonson epigram pattern, Beaumont
Ben Jonson epigram pattern, Beaumont

Ben Jonson epigram pattern, Neville
Ben Jonson epigram pattern, Neville

8. Notes on Access

9. Direct 1641 Timber / Discoveries Page Images, 2026-07-09

The Internet Archive/Boston Public Library witness vvorkesofbeniami00jons supplies direct colour images of the decisive passage at printed pp. 97-98.

I remember, the Players have often mentioned it as an honour to Shakespeare, that in his writing, (whatsoever he penn'd) hee never blotted out line. My answer hath beene, would he had blotted a thousand.

I lov'd the man, and doe honour his memory (on this side Idolatry) as much as any. Hee was (indeed) honest, and of an open, and free nature; had an excellent Phantsie; brave notions, and gentle expressions: wherein hee flow'd with that facility, that sometime it was necessary he should be stop'd: Sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said of Haterius.

The page images confirm the local TCP text and clarify the argument's structure. Jonson first rejects the players' uncritical “never blotted” praise, then explicitly affirms love, honour, honesty, imagination, and expression before applying the Haterius check to excessive fluency. The classical comparison is real. A Neville identification is not stated.

10. Lost Epigrammes PDF Recheck

Tara L. Lyons's local PBSA PDF was rechecked directly. It documents:

The lost book is therefore much better than a conjectural project: a printed copy appears to have entered and circulated through the Bodleian. But no surviving contents list proves whether CIX, To Sir Henry Nevil, belonged to that pre-1616 state. The packet retains both dating branches.

11. Completion Review, 2026-07-09